{"id":9039,"date":"2023-12-07T12:20:51","date_gmt":"2023-12-07T12:20:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/topat10.com\/?p=9039"},"modified":"2023-12-07T12:20:51","modified_gmt":"2023-12-07T12:20:51","slug":"the-generative-ai-copyright-fight-is-just-getting-started","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/topat10.com\/?p=9039","title":{"rendered":"The Generative AI Copyright Fight Is Just Getting Started"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>The biggest fight of the generative AI revolution is headed to the courtroom\u2014and no, it\u2019s not about the latest boardroom drama at OpenAI. Book authors, artists, and coders are challenging the practice of teaching AI models to replicate their skills using their own work as a training manual.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">The debate centers on the billions of works underpinning the impressive wordsmithery of tools like ChatGPT, the coding prowess of Github\u2019s Copilot, and artistic flair of image generators like that of startup Midjourney. Most of the works used to train the underlying algorithms were created by people, and many of them are protected by copyright.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">AI builders have largely assumed that using copyrighted material as training data is perfectly legal under the umbrella of \u201cfair use\u201d\u2014after all, they\u2019re only borrowing the work to extract statistical signals from it, not trying to pass it off as their own. But as image generators and other tools have proven able to impressively mimic works in their training data, and the scale and value of training data has become clear, creators are increasingly crying foul.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">At <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/livewired-30-years-of-tech-celebration-wired30\/\">LiveWIRED<\/a> in San Francisco, the 30th anniversary event for WIRED magazine, two leaders of that nascent resistance sparred with a defender of the rights of AI companies to develop the technology unencumbered. Did they believe AI training is fair use? \u201cThe answer is no, I do not,\u201d said Mary Rasenberger, CEO of the Authors Guild, which represents book authors and is suing both OpenAI and its primary backer, Microsoft, for violating the copyright of its members.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed\">\n<div class=\"AssetEmbedAssetContainer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-container\"><span class=\"SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB responsive-asset AssetEmbedResponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__responsive-asset\"><picture class=\"ResponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedResponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__responsive-asset responsive-image\"><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Four people posing for a portrait against a blue backdrop\" class=\"ResponsiveImageContainer-eybHBd fptoWY responsive-image__image lazyload\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_1600%2Cc_limit\/WIRED%252030-%2520279.jpg\" data-sizes=\"auto\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_120,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 120w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_240,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 240w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_320,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 320w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_640,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 640w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_960,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 960w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_1280,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/6570eb24eabd9f71da455cec\/master\/w_1600,c_limit\/WIRED%2030-%20279.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"100vw\"\/><\/noscript><\/picture><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"CaptionWrapper-jSZdqE kJoQGV caption AssetEmbedCaption-fNQBPI dDrfgT asset-embed__caption\"><span class=\"BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptionText-bHjzlu iUEiRd cDlTYw iXWezO caption__text\"><\/p>\n<p>From left to right: WIRED senior writer Kate Knibbs discussed creators&#8217; rights and AI with Mike Masnick, Mary Rasenberger, and Matthew Butterick at LiveWIRED in San Francisco,.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><span class=\"BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptionCredit-ejegDm iUEiRd iggRJP fNaHcW caption__credit\">Photograph: Aldo Chacon<\/span><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p>Existential Risk<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">At the core of the Authors Guild\u2019s complaint is that OpenAI and others\u2019 use of their material ultimately produces competing work when users ask a chatbot to spit out a poem or image. \u201cThis is a highly commercial use, and the harm is very clear,\u201d Rasenberger said. \u201cIt could really destroy the profession of writing. That\u2019s why we\u2019re in this case.\u201d The Authors Guild, which is building a tool that will help generative AI companies pay to license its members\u2019 works, believes there can be perfectly ethical ways to train AI. \u201cIt\u2019s very simple: get permission,\u201d she said. In most cases, permission will come for a fee.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Mike Masnick, CEO of the Techdirt blog and also the Copia Institute, a tech policy think tank, has a different view. \u201cI\u2019m going to say the opposite of everything Mary just said,\u201d he said. Generative AI is fair use, he argued, noting the similarities of the recent legal disputes with past lawsuits, some involving the Author\u2019s Guild, in which indexing creative works so that search engines could efficiently find them survived challenges.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">A win for artist groups would not necessarily be of much help to individual writers, Masnick added, calling the very concept of copyright a scheme that was intended to enrich publishers, rather than protect artists. He referenced what he called a \u201ccorrupt\u201d system of music licensing that sends little value to its creators.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">While any future courtroom verdicts will likely depend on legal arguments over fair use, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/matthew-butterick-ai-copyright-lawsuits-openai-meta\/\">Matthew Butterick<\/a>, a lawyer who has filed a number of lawsuits against generative AI companies, says the debate is really about tech companies that are trying to accrue more power\u2014and hold onto it. \u201cThey\u2019re not competing to see who can be the richest anymore; they\u2019re competing to be the most powerful,\u201d he said. \u201cWhat they don\u2019t want is for people with copyrights to have a veto over what they want to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Masnick responded that he was also concerned about who gains power from AI, arguing that requiring tech companies to pay artists would further entrench the largest AI players by making it too expensive for insurgents to train their systems.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Rasenberger scoffed at the suggestion of a balance of power between tech players and the authors she represents, comparing the $20,000 per year average earnings for full-time authors to the recent $90 billion valuation of OpenAI. \u201cThey\u2019ve got the money. The artist community does not,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The biggest fight of the generative AI revolution is headed to the courtroom\u2014and no, it\u2019s not about the latest boardroom drama at OpenAI. Book authors, artists, and coders are challenging the practice of teaching AI models to replicate their skills using their own work as a training manual. 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