{"id":14331,"date":"2025-03-10T01:05:47","date_gmt":"2025-03-10T01:05:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/topat10.com\/?p=14331"},"modified":"2025-03-10T01:05:47","modified_gmt":"2025-03-10T01:05:47","slug":"new-proofs-expand-the-limits-of-what-cannot-be-known","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/topat10.com\/?p=14331","title":{"rendered":"New Proofs Expand the Limits of What Cannot Be Known"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paywall\">In other words, Hilbert\u2019s 10th problem is undecidable.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Mathematicians hoped to follow the same approach to prove the extended, rings-of-integers version of the problem\u2014but they hit a snag.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"paywall\">Gumming Up the Works<\/h2>\n<p class=\"paywall\">The useful correspondence between Turing machines and Diophantine equations falls apart when the equations are allowed to have non-integer solutions. For instance, consider again the equation <em>y<\/em> = <em>x<\/em><sup>2<\/sup>. If you\u2019re working in a ring of integers that includes \u221a2, then you\u2019ll end up with some new solutions, such as <em>x<\/em> = \u221a2, <em>y<\/em> = 2. The equation no longer corresponds to a Turing machine that computes perfect squares\u2014and, more generally, the Diophantine equations can no longer encode the halting problem.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">But in 1988, a graduate student at New York University named <a data-offer-url=\"https:\/\/myweb.ecu.edu\/shlapentokha\/\" class=\"external-link\" data-event-click=\"{&quot;element&quot;:&quot;ExternalLink&quot;,&quot;outgoingURL&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/myweb.ecu.edu\/shlapentokha\/&quot;}\" href=\"https:\/\/myweb.ecu.edu\/shlapentokha\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sasha Shlapentokh<\/a> started to play with ideas for how to get around this problem. By 2000, she and others had formulated a plan. Say you were to add a bunch of extra terms to an equation like <em>y<\/em> = <em>x<\/em><sup>2<\/sup> that magically forced <em>x<\/em> to be an integer again, even in a different number system. Then you could salvage the correspondence to a Turing machine. Could the same be done for all Diophantine equations? If so, it would mean that Hilbert\u2019s problem could encode the halting problem in the new number system.<\/p>\n<div class=\"GenericCalloutWrapper-tojWn gEhPRA callout--has-top-border\" data-testid=\"GenericCallout\">\n<figure class=\"AssetEmbedWrapper-eVDQiB byBkf asset-embed\">\n<div class=\"AssetEmbedAssetContainer-eJxoAx dBHGoQ asset-embed__asset-container\"><span class=\"SpanWrapper-umhxW kGxnNB responsive-asset AssetEmbedResponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__responsive-asset\"><picture class=\"ResponsiveImagePicture-cWuUZO dUOtEa AssetEmbedResponsiveAsset-cXBNxi eCxVQK asset-embed__responsive-asset responsive-image\"><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Image may contain Sphere and Triangle\" class=\"ResponsiveImageContainer-eybHBd fptoWY responsive-image__image lazyload\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_1600%2Cc_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png\" data-sizes=\"auto\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_120,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 120w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_240,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 240w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_320,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 320w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_640,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 640w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_960,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 960w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_1280,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 1280w, https:\/\/media.wired.com\/photos\/67bdc29839a34e735078290e\/master\/w_1600,c_limit\/Hilberts-Tenth-Detail-2.png 1600w\" sizes=\"100vw\"\/><\/noscript><\/picture><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span class=\"BaseWrap-sc-gjQpdd BaseText-ewhhUZ CaptionCredit-ejegDm iUEiRd isTgyB fNaHcW caption__credit\">Illustration: Myriam Wares for\u00a0<em>Quanta Magazine<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Over the years, Shlapentokh and other mathematicians figured out what terms they had to add to the Diophantine equations for various kinds of rings, which allowed them to demonstrate that Hilbert\u2019s problem was still undecidable in those settings. They then boiled down all remaining rings of integers to one case: rings that involve the imaginary number <em>i<\/em>. Mathematicians realized that in this case, the terms they\u2019d have to add could be determined using a special equation called an elliptic curve.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">But the elliptic curve would have to satisfy two properties. First, it would need to have infinitely many solutions. Second, if you switched to a different ring of integers\u2014if you removed the imaginary number from your number system\u2014then all the solutions to the elliptic curve would have to maintain the same underlying structure.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">As it turned out, building such an elliptic curve that worked for every remaining ring was an extremely subtle and difficult task. But Koymans and Pagano\u2014experts on elliptic curves who had worked closely together since they were in graduate school\u2014had just the right tool set to try.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"paywall\">Sleepless Nights<\/h2>\n<p class=\"paywall\">Since his time as an undergraduate, Koymans had been thinking about Hilbert\u2019s 10th problem. Throughout graduate school, and throughout his collaboration with Pagano, it beckoned. \u201cI spent a few days every year thinking about it and getting horribly stuck,\u201d Koymans said. \u201cI\u2019d try three things and they\u2019d all blow up in my face.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall\">In 2022, while at a conference in Banff, Canada, he and Pagano ended up chatting about the problem. They hoped that together, they could build the special elliptic curve needed to resolve the problem. After finishing some other projects, they got to work.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In other words, Hilbert\u2019s 10th problem is undecidable. Mathematicians hoped to follow the same approach to prove the extended, rings-of-integers version of the problem\u2014but they hit a snag. Gumming Up the Works The useful correspondence between Turing machines and Diophantine equations falls apart when the equations are allowed to have non-integer solutions. 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